Auto-Typing: Is it Hacking?

If you have not yet read this post, please do so.  If you have, and if you agree that something must be done about this, please say what you think in a comment.  Because it’s obvious to me that we need to fix this somehow, some way.  We need to work together on this, to put all forms of hacking behind us, before we can begin our work in restoring Club Penguin armies to their Golden Age.

There has been a lot of talk going around about whether or not Auto Typing is legal based on the Anti-Bot Bill.  It is pretty much accepted that it is an unfair advantage in battle, but what about in other cases?

The problem with only making it not allowed in battles is that it makes it available for recruiting.  Based on something Person said in response to Shab, the bill was designed to prevent unfair advantages of hacking or cheating armies.

Here is an example of a similar question with a definite answer: a baseball player uses steriods to make themselves stronger during the offseason but stops just in time for the real games to start.  Did he still use steriods?  Yes.  Did he give himself an unfair advantage?  Yes.  Basically, using auto-typer to recruit is the same as using steriods to make yourself stronger.  You may not be using the auto typer in battle, but the recruits you gained using the auto typer will be in the battle.  Without auto typer, would you have gained those recruits?  Maybe some of them.  But by using auto typer, you have given yourself an advantage over armies who try to recruit the right way.  To me, it’s still unfair.

As an example, any small army with an auto-typer now has an extreme advantage recruiting-wise over other small armies.

“Using an autotyper and leaving a penguin hooked up to it saying “search *insert army here*” is an amazing way to recruit for a small army.”

~Person1233

 

“Auto typing is a great way to recruit :s”

~Lots Of Pie

So is it hacking?  I did some research, and my first point came from Crime-Research.org.  Hacking is defined as “unauthorized use of computer and network resources”.  Think of it this way.  Without the use of an outside program, does Club Penguin allow you to send messages automatically and repeatedly?  No.  It is therefore not a natural “use of computer and network resources [i.e. Club Penguin]“.  If you cannot do it naturally, it is unauthorized.  You are using a program that breaks code in Club Penguin to allow you to do something you could not normally.  By any definition that is hacking, and it is illegal.  Likewise, using Penguin Storm or any other program that allows you to do something that is not normally possible is hacking.  Plain and simple.

If you need more evidence, maybe the fact that auto typer was featured in a February post on the blog called Google Hacking 2008 will sway you.  And yes, auto typer is also a hack for Runescape.

Put simply, if you asked Club Penguin what they thought of these programs that let someone take advantage of their game, I guarantee they will say that it is unfair, and if they knew who you were, you might even get banned.  It happens all the time to anyone who makes a Youtube video involving these types of things.  Most of you know this is an unfair advantage, but won’t admit it for your own selfish reasons.  It’s quite obvious to me anyone would like to use this for recruiting, but what is right and what is easy are two completely different things.

We’ve recently been talking about bringing back the “Golden Ages” of Club Penguin armies.  These auto typing programs had never been an issue back then (and I don’t think they even existed) and they hadn’t even been used until just recently.  For the integrity of armies, we need to keep all forms of hacking, and anything that gives you an unfair advantage, out of armies.  If we allow this type of program in armies at all, it will become a race for who can recruit the most soldiers with auto typer.  Say goodbye to true recruiting sessions, hard work, and loyal soldiers.  Think of the U.S. and the Soviet Union during the Cold War.  “I’m not going to worry about making my country a better place, I’m just going to see how many nuclear weapons I can make.”  If all it takes is a few penguins with auto typer to build an army, then I refuse to be a part of it.  I can’t be the spokesperson for the older army generation any more.  I need other people to stand up with me and say “this is not how armies are supposed to be.”  We should not be about trying to find loopholes in all the old rules, we should not be about trying to find the easy way out.

There’s a reason almost all the major armies that were around when I joined have fallen.  We have all gotten lazy.  You think about recruiting sessions, practices battles.  Those barely ever happened back then.  But somehow it wasn’t a problem.  Why?  Leaders and their soldiers were on Club Penguin every single day, battle or not, time of peace, time of war.  At some point after I joined, and all the original generation leaders had retired, leaders stopped enforcing this behavior.  Now, few soldiers had the motivation to be on Club Penguin that much, and the mentality of constantly working to improve your army was gone.  By the time I became leader, I was well aware of this fundamental difference in the soldier’s mentality.  At that point, it was basically irreversable.  I did what I could, creating Brigades like the ones Oagal used to have, hoping it would encourage patrolling and activeness on Club Penguin.  Armies before and after me did similar things with Branches (Air Force, Navy, Marines) but it never caught on.  The only thing left that could replace the activeness soldiers used to maintain by themselves were practice battles.  If you have seen ACP or the Nachos as another example, we are the only major armies left that have gained ground rather than lost it.  We are basically the only two armies that have regular practice battles.

If I could give some advice to this current generation of leaders, it would be this.  Work hard, both you and your army.  Armies have already lost a lot of the mystique they used to have.  Maybe it’s because everything now is about hacking.  “The Golds hack, declare war.”  Between the Nachos and Golds, that war was almost entirely pictures back and forth of the other side “hacking”.  The Nachos claimed the Golds were hacking in nearly every post.  The Golds came up with a picture of the Nachos “hacking”, which was denied, sparking this whole debate of what constitutates “hacking”.  You know what?  Who’s to say what is and isn’t hacking?  If we defined hacking as a way to gain an unfair advantage, we wouldn’t even have this issue.  We’re the Golds hacking?  Yes.  We’re the Nachos hacking?  Yes.  There would be no questions asked over what constitutes hacking, there would be no argument over auto typers, I would not have had to write this post, and you would not have had to read it.

If you agree that something must be done about this, please go to The Club Penguin Army Council website and say what you think in a comment.  Because it’s obvious to me that we need to fix this somehow, some way.  We need to work together on this, to put all forms of hacking behind us, before we can begin our work in restoring Club Penguin armies to their Golden Age.

~Boomer

Published in: on June 14, 2009 at 1:38 pm Comments (33)

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  1. I personally feel that we need a bill that prevents anything “that gives an army an unfair advantage”, including all all forms of hacking, auto typers, and auto clickers.

    • Bang on there sir!

    • we should just report it to the c.p. admins
      and have it banned from the programing

  2. Isn’t really un-fair if anybody can do it…

    • But is it right? :?

      • we can’t decide that, because one may say it is right, another may say it isn’t.

  3. I think that it gives an unfair advantage in battles, but for recruting it should be fine. This will be firm but fair rule.

    Boomer, please includde The Supremacy in your armies list. http://www.thesupremacy.wordpress.com

  4. I think that something should be done about it. It is breaking Club Penguin Rules,cheating,hacking,lazy,unfair, and just plain stupid. I think we should try to find how people are using autotypers then make it impossible for them to do without CP banning them or something.

    • we should report this program to the moderators or club penguin admins so they can bann it from the programing – like they did with Cp Trainer -

      Person: You don’t get it! Auto typers aren’t in the “cp programming.” Auto typers just enter it into the chat bar :roll:

  5. I think that it should be banned

  6. I like the whole idea to cutting hacking off from CP warfare, but, really it is just a pipe dream. There are SOOOO many noob or mini armys who have no idea about this. Just wait for CP to abolish hacking. It will be quiet a while but worth it.

  7. I agree with everything in your post Boomer it really is unfair and makes everyone
    lazy. I recruit and potrol everyday with or without soldiers just so i can help ACP
    and keep things fair.

  8. (Note, I lead/made an army) I agree we should stop the Evilness that is hacking (Big word, FTW!) My army’s capital was invaded by the clones (while ago) and the troop that was there used an Auto-Typer, so I want this Hacking to stop!~Tigers Class Green Guards of Club Penguin Leader

  9. ok whats the point of hacking soon someone will find out be smart tell cp and get you baned for life then ask what did i do and it will be your baned because your hacking i think any cp army soldier that gets caught hacking should be fired or get in truble for using it because once 1 person hacks he gets others to do it and the whole army could turn into a hacker army and yea so its pointless to hack because i like to call stuff a turning point at first your good of getting away but soon someone finds out and your baned i call that a truing point when something gets good then something bad happnes so if you want to hack fine but if you get caught your done for

  10. Its not hacking at all. You should be able to use it in battles recruiting and anywhere else. Its not like you have more penguins, someones just spamming some words. Come on, who cares

    • If it’s not allowed by Club Penguin, armies claiming to “protect Club Penguin” should not be able to use it.

      • that is true isint it?
        you know, this whole thing has made
        club penguin armies almost unenjoyable
        now (acp is still fun cuz they only brought this up recently)
        it is hacking the thing alters the club penguin programing (it wasnt in the site’s programing to have this)and it obeys the rules
        ” any third party programs are strictly forbidden”

        *ps i run a newly formed cp army called “haocp” haho’s army of club penguin and i would appreciate it if ANYONE could spred the word. *go to wordpress and serch haho4**

      • Actually, cp doesn’t do anything to anyone who uses it. Because all it does is type for you, not hack ANYTHING at all.

  11. person and snowy, you need to under stand that if everyoen can do it its not the right thing to do its lazy and ILEAGAL! Its like this anyone CAN rob a bank but everyone dosent rob a bank. Why is it ileagal? The answer is because if eveyrone used auto typers what would this world be! It would be crazy! Auto typers and bots are the same. Its all an advantage.

  12. boomer i agree
    i controlled a few small armies a while ago and your right they have all gotten lazy, the troops used to enjoy being in an army big or small but now, now, just sad.
    armies should just be fair and fun not hacking and lazy i will post this at the link you specified also.

  13. it is unfair for true and honest clubpenguin armys if person and nochos are so big and use it [and i have seen it myself] i wonder how small they would be without it? well to me i think person and the nochos should be banned from being a army

  14. I don’t see any problem at all with Auto-typing. It helps small armies get recruits, which is something we need if we want to bring back a Golden age. It’s not at all like you’re hacking into CP at all either. All it’s doing is entering messages. WTF is wrong with auto entering messages? I’ve used an auto typer before because I wanted to recruit for RBAA back in November. It worked, and there is really nothing wrong with it. It wasn’t like we weren’t lazy though, it was a very clever way to get us recruits. Using it during a battle, that’s just cheap. While the other army works on spam charges, one army just uses an auto-typer to spam for example, “GOLDS GOLDS GOLDS GOLDS GOLDS GOLDS,” now that is wrong. Getting recruits with an auto-typer is clever, not wrong.

    • Agreed. Right now, face it, we are all in a slump: Every. Single. Army. This may be a way to get us back up.

  15. Hmm, let’s see.

    I guess you can compare this to spam, on chats for example.

    If I understand why auto-typer is, then it is the sending of annoying continuous messages.

    Well spam is very similar. Most chats have rules against spam because it is annoying.

    I suppose this auto-typer might also be annoying because you are seeing the same message over and over; but it is really wrong?

    Spam is annoying, but it isn’t really wrong if you think about it; it’s just annoying.

    So I think that auto-typer should be used for recruiting during the day or whatever.

    During battles however, it shouldn’t be allowed.

  16. Can someone please give me a reason to care if another army is using auto-typers to recruit and I have the option to use it myself?

  17. ok i definetely disapprove of all this hacking crap. if were gonna bring back the golden ages, we cant be starting wars over hacking. pretty much, we all love the age of WWII and post-war prosperity. now, were deep into the 60’s and 70’s, the cold war is in full swing, and we all want out. so we need to stop the hacking. better enforce the anti-bot bill. we should have not just flappy as the ACP Programmer, we should have a team of as many people who can deal with programming as possible, helping flappy, who can be sent out to deal with hackers if they are spotted.

  18. HOWEVER, i do believe person is partially right. we should allow small armies to use auto-typers so they can catch up to us, then completely outlaw them to make way for the real golden ages.

  19. This is a good idea, but will it put more restrictions on wars/recruiting and complicate the overall process. Plus, small armies play a vital roll in all big armies as well.

  20. BTW, more than 2/3 of major army leaders voted yes on my bill….so auto typing, right now, is legal.

  21. I think it’s wrong and I think it’s a hack.

  22. well if we bann auto typer then one or few ppl r gonna use it secretly without no knowing. it is wrong in battle but dont rely on it heavily for recruiting.

  23. I think that this should be legal in Recruting, but Illegal in Battles.

    It is definately hacking, but wether it should be allowed or not is the real question.

  24. Person in tht war u used NachosLeader that was using Auto Typing and followed Lorenzo Bean around.Lorenzo Bean will post them….


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